A podcast with Nick Kugelman & Jacen Flynn
Ideas are easy.
Resistance tells the truth.
We put the accepted wisdom of jiu-jitsu, coaching and life under resistance. What survives, we keep. The rest is up for debate.

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Black belts, competitors, fathers and coaches. We’re also the owners of SYSTEM Jiu-Jitsu in Meridian, Idaho.
This is where we question the ideas we bring onto the mat and into the rest of our lives.

Nick Kugelman
Co-host · Co-owner / Head coach

Jacen Flynn
Co-host · Co-owner / Head coach
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